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05-05-2006, 11:00 AM
I want to get a debate started and suggestions and ideas for the zoo.
I have done some research and talked to numerous people about whate we need to do to the zoo to improve the fishery. I have heard people say we need to do more stocking and some say we need structure. After talking to numerous fisherman and different biolgists here is my opinion. The two go hand in hand. If all we do is stock fish but have no habitat to support them, we won't get anywhere. I strongly feel, after talking to everyone, We need to get a group together to act as one voice for us and to be able to get the different entities that have some knid of control over the zoo to come together for the common purpose of improving the fishery. I have talked to numerous agencies that seem all to be willing to contribute, but it seems like nobody has any direction and are all doing their own thing. Right now we have several tournies and I don't know of one that contributes funds or the like back into the fishery, maybe a certain % of entry fees could be given to an organization that gets started to improve the fishery, what are your opinions on starting such a group? We are going to have to make this happen if we want anything done. Please, post any and all suggestions and or opinions on this matter, and let's see what we can come up with.
05-05-2006, 11:09 AM
Here are a few of my ideas:
1. We need to get some more deep water structure. The cribs and trees are fine, but become useless when they draw the water down and they are on dry land.
2. The biologists say that sandstone is the best rubble to use because the zoo plankton and crustaceans adhere to it the best and this is what the smaller fish need to feed on at first.
3. We could use some more stocking. We need to have the forage fish to support them and the structure. I have found that if they wait til the fry are at the fingerling stage, the survival rate goes up by as much as 20-30%. If we had a group that could donate funds to keep the fry a little longer. I think the PFBC would do this.
4. We need to create more spawning grounds, this would eliminate or at least reduce the impact of the gill nets on the reservation.
5. I think the possibility of an onsite hatchery may work. Need to see if it is more cost effective than buying fry.
05-05-2006, 03:45 PM
Not much for me to debate with you Ed. All that you say I agree with. What we need to do is get together and talk and see what we can do to implement your ideas. I assume you will be at the Corydon or the Willows? Please get with me and we can start the ball rolling.
I volunteer to help in any way I can! Anybody else???
05-10-2006, 10:32 PM
Ed, I think you covered the topic thoroughly and it's a great idea. Count me in- I'll do anything and everything I can to help.
05-11-2006, 12:42 PM
All are great ideas guys. In my opinion, in order to really make a difference on Kinzua the majority of the habitat should be done on the reservation waters. That part of the reservoir has the influx of fertile waters (much more than anywhere else) hence any habitat would greatly benefit the baitfish and predator fish much much more than in the clearer waters of the main part of the reservoir. Red Bridge is a good example of what I call the "little reservation" . The habitat there has greatly inproved the fishing for both panfish and bigger fish. Walleye fishing hasn't been greatly impacted in Red Bridge but that could be because of a lack of deep water nearby. The reservation has that access to deep water close to many many flat shallow areas needed by panfish and baitfish. Many places you can be in 5 feet of water one second and 30 feet the next. No so in Red Bridge. Imagine if all the shallow flats in the reservation we covered with trees, cribs, rock piles and all other types of cover and structure!!!!! The fertile waters coming in from the river(that's why it's always a little murky up there) would feed the baitfish and panfish what they need to grow and prosper, this inturn would allow for a much higher population of walleyes. It's like the saying in the movie Field of Dreams, "If you build it they will come!!!" and I firmly believe it. Going about it and getting cooperation from the Senecas will be the challenge. I do believe that if you can get the Seneca Nation involved and excited about the project (explaining how it can boost tourism especially in conjunction with the casino) we might be surprised what help we could get. They probably don't have so many "rules" or protocal such as those that the Corp or the Forest Service must follow. Well I could go on and on because I have Kinzua in my blood, but I'd better give it a rest for now. Just my opinion, John
05-11-2006, 12:56 PM
I agree the res is right now probably the best place for the spawn to happen, and getting the Seneca nation to come on board may or may not be a challenge, but I believe if we had an organized group to be the voice, it would enhance our chances of getting it done. I have a few leads on people to contact who have dealings with the Indians and am following them up. I have also contacted Alan Woomer to give his input on this and to see if other areas with streams dumpimg into them such as Sugar Bay and Cornplanter bay, to name a few, could be upgraded to make them potentially better spawn sites. I think if we could get the biolgists and habitat specialists to all come together and meet on this, a viable plan could be achieved. These are the kind of questions and suggestions that we need to get addressed by the specialists in that area, and form a sort of game plan to address the priority items first.. Keep up the ideas and suggestions/ opinions
Grissly Gary UL
05-23-2006, 11:56 AM
So let's set up a meeting between we here that are interested in helping. I would suggest sometime in the end of June or after. Still a few tournys to go.
05-23-2006, 12:33 PM
Sounds good to me, let me know. I'm in
Grissly Gary UL
05-24-2006, 01:34 PM
Ok Ed. Who else here would be interested in working with us to enhance the Zoo for eyes?
I'm sure we can count on the Kinzua Fish & Wildlife Assoc. to work with us or we can combine with them.
Who else here is in?
05-24-2006, 01:51 PM
I have talked to Allan Woomer, fishery biologist, and Dave Houser, Habitat Specialist, and they both said they would help in any way possible and Dave even went further amd volunteered to come up and talk with us. I haven't asked Allan yet, but I believe he would and as soon as we can get a date to meet I will let them both know.
09-07-2006, 02:08 PM
Really something what you guys have started as a result of Mr Yohe bringing this up here. Gary has been sharing with me what you all have already accomplished. Keep up the good work. You should all be commended.
09-07-2006, 10:26 PM
Thank you IO for your kind words. Ed Yohe, Wrong Way Carl, Ferby, Bryan, Mr. Ed, Melissa, Linda O., Jason Giordano, Mighty Mike, Walleye Buster as well as the guys from www.kfwa.org have all put their time where their mouths are. ( I sure hope I didn't miss anybody! If I did i'm sorry!)
It takes a team to get things done and I think we got a damned good team started here!
If you would like to be part of this team please contact me.
IO, I can guarantee that WE WILL MAKE GOOD THINGS HAPPEN FOR KINZUA!!!
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